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i got some pretty cool stuff we're gonna

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so i hope you dig it

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we're talking a little lonnie

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zamora here he is

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this guy

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i'm not sure if you guys have um well

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let me say hi to everybody first surf

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psych uh christian meghan expendable 72

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hello from the met west midlands

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um

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who else we got here laura what's

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happening

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uh study at uaps

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uh sam josh

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what's up everybody lord bass everybody

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thank you so much for coming in robert

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hello how are you today

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um

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i was thinking of possibly

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um starting like a spotify up because i

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have a spotify account i just have one

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show up there so

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am i lonnie

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so i i may do that if i do

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i'll let you know i'll share the link

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and everything um i have actually one

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you can always go back and take a listen

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to that but let me get that going the

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um and in doing that i think i may

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do more like just like document reads on

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spotify and save like youtube for guests

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and stuff i don't know i may do

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something like that too

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doing so many shows here on youtube i'm

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not over saturate things i guess so to

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um but you know

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if you are not familiar with um

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socorro new mexico 1964 april 24th and

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lani zamora i'll do a little bit of a

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uh the story and how everything you know

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how everything got started and how it

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like the blue book lead hector um

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the best ufo case

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um if you guys you know follow me on

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you'll know enough to know by now that

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uh documents for this case in a

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archives it was for um

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great falls montana it was in there

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one is that folder is filled with

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it's filled with other

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landing cases um whether you know

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they're reliable or not it's filled with

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landing cases

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so it's pretty interesting and the great

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everything and then there was also one

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where they were from apparently um so

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too um and i can get into those but that

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lani zamora so basically he was

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more or less i'm sure he wasn't liked

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drivers and everything um but that's

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what he is at first he described it as a

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balloon later he said it was like more

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aware of this case you'll know what the

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that is the story he sees

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this thing there

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he hears a couple booms um he gets a

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when he was closer he like shielded his

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eyes and retreated back towards his his

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sees apparently orange and white flames

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2200 or something without him

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but you know it he saw it pretty clear

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that's for sure so

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it's pretty interesting story um and

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so here is here's zamora you know this

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hopefully they're kind of in the right

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time frame and everything for you know

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how i want to do this

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we going to do this

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so let's get up here

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so the first one we have is

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colonel or coral lorenz so the husband

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zamora and all that stuff

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air force people was caught talking crap

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about coral to the husband

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not knowing and husbands will and he was

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like hey yeah you know her he's like

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yeah that's my wife

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oh man

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interesting

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uh the fbi agent

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uh by the way so i see a comment

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up here fbi agent punjabi is incorrect

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so anyways so you can see here um

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you know kind of their story about how

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they wanted to interview him and

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everything and

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reluctant to talk

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um so at this point keep in mind too

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he's already talked to

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um holder has been you know interrogated

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by them

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and just to back up a little bit before

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we go into this about the scene at the

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time it said that so

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there's this donald manziel who is kind

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of like uh mick west of the time so to

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speak no offense to me quest

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um but he was a debunker basically he he

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say you know how people debunk magic

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magicians well that's what he always

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tries to do and he came up with this

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elaborate hoax

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idea about this episode

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um and one of the things he said was you

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know like kids putting like firecrackers

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or fireworks over there whatever and

293
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then retreating at the right time well

294
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there were no footprints going to or

295
00:13:25,110 --> 00:13:23,760
from

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this craft

297
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just the footprints of the supposed

298
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beings

299
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that were there

300
00:13:32,710 --> 00:13:30,959
so that kind of

301
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you know pooh-poohed that whole idea

302
00:13:40,310 --> 00:13:38,870
so here we're kind of just going through

303
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what

304
00:13:50,310 --> 00:13:47,910
he described them yeah young the beings

305
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like young boys small adults appeared to

306
00:13:53,829 --> 00:13:52,480
be such and such like this kind of cut

307
00:13:55,030 --> 00:13:53,839
off sorry

308
00:13:56,550 --> 00:13:55,040
um

309
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he had not been able to make out any

310
00:14:01,269 --> 00:13:58,320
features or details he also drew the

311
00:14:02,470 --> 00:14:01,279
object as he had seen it 450 feet from

312
00:14:05,910 --> 00:14:02,480
as he approached

313
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the second mesa and as it looked

314
00:14:10,150 --> 00:14:08,079
as it looked as if he looked down upon

315
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at the mesa after he arrived there for

316
00:14:14,310 --> 00:14:12,000
instance brought up the question of the

317
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markings on the object

318
00:14:17,670 --> 00:14:16,240
remember i told you there is insignia on

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the object

320
00:14:26,550 --> 00:14:20,000
uh which is

321
00:14:33,350 --> 00:14:29,269
samurai said he had been instructed by

322
00:14:37,350 --> 00:14:35,509
so at this point the intelligence would

323
00:14:42,949 --> 00:14:37,360
be

324
00:14:45,750 --> 00:14:42,959
was him and an fbi agent who were there

325
00:14:47,030 --> 00:14:45,760
first and made the

326
00:14:49,110 --> 00:14:47,040
um

327
00:14:50,550 --> 00:14:49,120
actual initial measurements of the site

328
00:14:52,949 --> 00:14:50,560
too

329
00:14:55,509 --> 00:14:52,959
and it's later said that the fbi agent

330
00:14:57,350 --> 00:14:55,519
actually told loni zamora to

331
00:14:59,990 --> 00:14:57,360
hold some details back

332
00:15:01,910 --> 00:15:00,000
some of which included the beings

333
00:15:03,350 --> 00:15:01,920
you know some people say it's because

334
00:15:06,310 --> 00:15:03,360
they were looking out for him and didn't

335
00:15:08,949 --> 00:15:06,320
want him to be you know mocked anymore

336
00:15:12,870 --> 00:15:10,150
you know

337
00:15:14,470 --> 00:15:12,880
seems like i don't

338
00:15:19,110 --> 00:15:14,480
you know

339
00:15:21,590 --> 00:15:19,120
somebody like that i don't know

340
00:15:23,670 --> 00:15:21,600
so basically

341
00:15:26,310 --> 00:15:23,680
this is interesting so

342
00:15:28,790 --> 00:15:26,320
he also named captain holder of the army

343
00:15:31,030 --> 00:15:28,800
contingent at stallion site which is at

344
00:15:33,110 --> 00:15:31,040
white sands as the individual asked him

345
00:15:35,269 --> 00:15:33,120
not to discuss the markings he would not

346
00:15:38,069 --> 00:15:35,279
give in on this point

347
00:15:39,749 --> 00:15:38,079
so they did not press him and they had

348
00:15:42,230 --> 00:15:39,759
already gotten a description of the

349
00:15:44,150 --> 00:15:42,240
markings zamora also did not say

350
00:15:46,790 --> 00:15:44,160
anything about throwing himself to the

351
00:15:51,110 --> 00:15:46,800
ground nor did he mention his request to

352
00:15:53,430 --> 00:15:51,120
chavez for him to come to his site alone

353
00:15:55,430 --> 00:15:53,440
it was felt that zamora might have

354
00:15:57,430 --> 00:15:55,440
felt a little embarrassed about being

355
00:15:59,110 --> 00:15:57,440
uneasy when first seeing the object and

356
00:16:00,150 --> 00:15:59,120
his reaction when the object came to

357
00:16:01,910 --> 00:16:00,160
take off

358
00:16:05,110 --> 00:16:01,920
thus the interview with samora was

359
00:16:06,870 --> 00:16:05,120
informative mr lorenzen

360
00:16:08,710 --> 00:16:06,880
immediately called captain holder on the

361
00:16:10,389 --> 00:16:08,720
telephone and asked him about his

362
00:16:13,030 --> 00:16:10,399
request that zamora not discussed the

363
00:16:15,829 --> 00:16:13,040
markings holder said he simply felt that

364
00:16:17,829 --> 00:16:15,839
those marks if kept secret could help to

365
00:16:20,389 --> 00:16:17,839
determine whether or not other future

366
00:16:22,389 --> 00:16:20,399
sightings were genuine though lorenzens

367
00:16:25,269 --> 00:16:22,399
believed him and

368
00:16:26,870 --> 00:16:25,279
he seemed to be an intelligent young man

369
00:16:29,269 --> 00:16:26,880
attempting to do a good job in the best

370
00:16:31,749 --> 00:16:29,279
way he knew how which period appeared to

371
00:16:34,230 --> 00:16:31,759
have been a good job i believe this was

372
00:16:36,710 --> 00:16:34,240
in the apro

373
00:16:38,790 --> 00:16:36,720
which is owned by mr lorenz

374
00:16:40,310 --> 00:16:38,800
so my only thing here is if the story

375
00:16:42,629 --> 00:16:40,320
got started here

376
00:16:45,350 --> 00:16:42,639
um how much can you really trust that

377
00:16:47,910 --> 00:16:45,360
story i guess about the markings and the

378
00:16:50,150 --> 00:16:47,920
holder not saying that because as the

379
00:16:52,230 --> 00:16:50,160
story goes on high nick

380
00:16:55,509 --> 00:16:52,240
you know believe him or not refutes that

381
00:16:59,030 --> 00:16:56,629
tomorrow

382
00:17:00,790 --> 00:16:59,040
actually says that it did

383
00:17:01,990 --> 00:17:00,800
so

384
00:17:03,509 --> 00:17:02,000
it could be

385
00:17:05,189 --> 00:17:03,519
a case of the right hand doesn't know

386
00:17:07,510 --> 00:17:05,199
what the left hand is doing

387
00:17:11,189 --> 00:17:07,520
perhaps or heinick was just straight up

388
00:17:11,430 --> 00:17:11,199
lying which uh i personally

389
00:17:12,870 --> 00:17:11,440
um

390
00:17:16,309 --> 00:17:12,880
[Music]

391
00:17:17,429 --> 00:17:16,319
i actually think that he might have been

392
00:17:18,390 --> 00:17:17,439
but

393
00:17:20,710 --> 00:17:18,400
you know

394
00:17:23,110 --> 00:17:20,720
that's just me

395
00:17:24,710 --> 00:17:23,120
i see no reason for zamora to lie about

396
00:17:26,789 --> 00:17:24,720
it especially if he's a upstanding

397
00:17:28,549 --> 00:17:26,799
character and he's being asked about it

398
00:17:29,750 --> 00:17:28,559
a guy like him rather just tell the

399
00:17:32,390 --> 00:17:29,760
truth

400
00:17:33,669 --> 00:17:32,400
than not but you know that's speculation

401
00:17:35,669 --> 00:17:33,679
i suppose

402
00:17:38,070 --> 00:17:35,679
so here's a little bit on zamora's

403
00:17:40,070 --> 00:17:38,080
reliability so i found this interesting

404
00:17:43,830 --> 00:17:40,080
because here on the show we did a lot of

405
00:17:46,789 --> 00:17:43,840
diving into dr lincoln la paz

406
00:17:48,710 --> 00:17:46,799
he was the head of project twinkle

407
00:17:52,070 --> 00:17:48,720
the green fireballs

408
00:17:53,990 --> 00:17:52,080
in the new mexico area

409
00:17:56,230 --> 00:17:54,000
zamora's reliability as a witness was

410
00:17:58,390 --> 00:17:56,240
further supported by dr lincoln lapaz of

411
00:18:01,110 --> 00:17:58,400
the university of new mexico who has

412
00:18:03,270 --> 00:18:01,120
attained an international reputation

413
00:18:05,190 --> 00:18:03,280
in tracing down reports on fireballs or

414
00:18:08,310 --> 00:18:05,200
meteorites he stated

415
00:18:10,470 --> 00:18:08,320
i do want to say that i have had

416
00:18:13,430 --> 00:18:10,480
contacts with mr samara for 16 years in

417
00:18:18,549 --> 00:18:13,440
my work and he is a thoroughly

418
00:18:23,830 --> 00:18:21,350
so that's from him

419
00:18:26,870 --> 00:18:23,840
so this

420
00:18:28,710 --> 00:18:26,880
is an interesting document and i believe

421
00:18:33,110 --> 00:18:28,720
this is found in those

422
00:18:35,909 --> 00:18:34,630
and

423
00:18:40,390 --> 00:18:35,919
this is

424
00:18:44,549 --> 00:18:42,630
talking about this

425
00:18:47,669 --> 00:18:44,559
so it's pretty interesting because it

426
00:18:52,870 --> 00:18:49,750
you know the way the markings were on

427
00:18:55,669 --> 00:18:54,630
you know what had to sit on top of it

428
00:18:59,590 --> 00:18:55,679
was

429
00:19:03,590 --> 00:19:01,830
so it says we then return half coffee

430
00:19:08,710 --> 00:19:03,600
with captain holder the up range

431
00:19:12,549 --> 00:19:11,510
to see whether he had anything to add

432
00:19:14,630 --> 00:19:12,559
after

433
00:19:16,230 --> 00:19:14,640
this many months had passed

434
00:19:18,230 --> 00:19:16,240
captain holder is still quite

435
00:19:21,190 --> 00:19:18,240
enthusiastic

436
00:19:24,630 --> 00:19:21,200
and really fairly enamored of the idea

437
00:19:26,870 --> 00:19:24,640
of strange crafts

438
00:19:29,110 --> 00:19:26,880
it was captain holder you will remember

439
00:19:31,510 --> 00:19:29,120
who with mr burns

440
00:19:33,669 --> 00:19:31,520
mr burns i think that's the wrong name

441
00:19:37,110 --> 00:19:33,679
by the way i think it's byron's b

442
00:19:39,669 --> 00:19:37,120
because i never see this mr burns again

443
00:19:43,270 --> 00:19:39,679
other than in the simpsons but i do see

444
00:19:43,990 --> 00:19:43,280
it byron's b-y-r-n-e-s

445
00:19:45,590 --> 00:19:44,000
so

446
00:19:48,470 --> 00:19:45,600
i think maybe you just spelled it wrong

447
00:19:51,029 --> 00:19:48,480
or got the name wrong possibly

448
00:19:52,710 --> 00:19:51,039
so who is mr uh burns of the fbi made

449
00:19:54,710 --> 00:19:52,720
the original measures between the

450
00:19:56,710 --> 00:19:54,720
markings and we recall that although the

451
00:19:58,549 --> 00:19:56,720
figure was drawn poorly when it was

452
00:20:00,950 --> 00:19:58,559
redrawn according to the dimensions

453
00:20:02,950 --> 00:20:00,960
given it was found that the diagonals of

454
00:20:04,830 --> 00:20:02,960
the twilight

455
00:20:09,270 --> 00:20:04,840
quadrilateral

456
00:20:11,270 --> 00:20:09,280
exact right angles pointed out that

457
00:20:14,390 --> 00:20:11,280
there is a well-known theorem which

458
00:20:16,549 --> 00:20:14,400
states that if the diagonals um

459
00:20:19,029 --> 00:20:16,559
intersect at right angles then the

460
00:20:20,390 --> 00:20:19,039
points lie on a circle uh the center of

461
00:20:21,270 --> 00:20:20,400
which is called the mean center of the

462
00:20:23,270 --> 00:20:21,280
figure

463
00:20:30,070 --> 00:20:23,280
also pointed out that one of the burn

464
00:20:30,080 --> 00:20:34,070
so that's pretty interesting

465
00:20:37,909 --> 00:20:35,590
i mean right here

466
00:20:39,360 --> 00:20:37,919
um

467
00:20:41,190 --> 00:20:39,370
we have to take it for

468
00:20:43,110 --> 00:20:41,200
[Music]

469
00:20:45,430 --> 00:20:43,120
it had these legs

470
00:20:47,029 --> 00:20:45,440
it was at these right ankles

471
00:20:49,110 --> 00:20:47,039
and it was

472
00:20:50,870 --> 00:20:49,120
on a circle

473
00:20:55,909 --> 00:20:50,880
you know and the flames came out from

474
00:21:00,230 --> 00:20:57,510
i don't know how else he could do that

475
00:21:02,310 --> 00:21:00,240
because we have the marks on the ground

476
00:21:04,549 --> 00:21:02,320
like the markings from the legs of the

477
00:21:06,470 --> 00:21:04,559
ship

478
00:21:08,549 --> 00:21:06,480
and the little people footprints and

479
00:21:11,270 --> 00:21:08,559
there are no footprints going

480
00:21:13,990 --> 00:21:11,280
to or from

481
00:21:19,029 --> 00:21:16,390
so more's upstanding character that's

482
00:21:20,549 --> 00:21:19,039
what he described

483
00:21:23,909 --> 00:21:20,559
this here matches up with what he

484
00:21:23,919 --> 00:21:27,029
moving forward

485
00:21:34,549 --> 00:21:29,590
this is interesting so as i said earlier

486
00:21:37,750 --> 00:21:36,470
you know

487
00:21:39,270 --> 00:21:37,760
it's interesting that they say there

488
00:21:40,950 --> 00:21:39,280
were several sightings reported during

489
00:21:43,990 --> 00:21:40,960
the next few days because

490
00:21:46,950 --> 00:21:44,000
there were but there was

491
00:21:47,750 --> 00:21:46,960
hundreds that year

492
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:47,760
so

493
00:21:54,950 --> 00:21:52,720
each case the sighting was determined

494
00:21:57,830 --> 00:21:54,960
a known object or natural phenomena

495
00:21:58,630 --> 00:21:57,840
which is completely

496
00:22:01,990 --> 00:21:58,640
not

497
00:22:04,470 --> 00:22:02,000
true if you look at the documents um in

498
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:04,480
and around that time but you know of

499
00:22:08,470 --> 00:22:06,400
course that's how they roll

500
00:22:10,950 --> 00:22:08,480
although the sighting appears to be the

501
00:22:13,830 --> 00:22:10,960
observation of some type of experimental

502
00:22:16,870 --> 00:22:13,840
craft all attempts to reach such a

503
00:22:18,630 --> 00:22:16,880
conclusion were inconclusive no concrete

504
00:22:20,630 --> 00:22:18,640
evidence was uncovered

505
00:22:23,590 --> 00:22:20,640
to substantiate the presence of such a

506
00:22:26,789 --> 00:22:23,600
craft at the particular time as such

507
00:22:29,029 --> 00:22:26,799
this case is carried as unidentified

508
00:22:37,669 --> 00:22:29,039
since from available information there

509
00:22:40,710 --> 00:22:38,390
so

510
00:22:42,470 --> 00:22:40,720
this is from hector the head of blue

511
00:22:45,110 --> 00:22:42,480
book i believe

512
00:22:47,430 --> 00:22:45,120
um so let me actually now that i'm

513
00:22:51,110 --> 00:22:47,440
thinking about it

514
00:22:56,870 --> 00:22:54,470
give you those documents so you know if

515
00:22:58,470 --> 00:22:56,880
you so choose i mean

516
00:22:59,510 --> 00:22:58,480
you know anybody who

517
00:23:01,830 --> 00:22:59,520
is um

518
00:23:03,909 --> 00:23:01,840
actually goes to my website first of all

519
00:23:07,430 --> 00:23:03,919
knows that they're there and have been

520
00:23:13,990 --> 00:23:09,830
but i don't expect people

521
00:23:14,000 --> 00:23:17,430
but just in case you want to

522
00:23:17,440 --> 00:23:24,070
i am going to share it

523
00:23:30,470 --> 00:23:27,270
so here it is

524
00:23:35,510 --> 00:23:33,110
so actually you know robert cofort has a

525
00:23:36,549 --> 00:23:35,520
comment here that's

526
00:23:42,310 --> 00:23:36,559
you know

527
00:23:47,350 --> 00:23:44,950
should be there should know

528
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,360
you know he is at

529
00:23:51,669 --> 00:23:49,600
the spot that everybody seems to think

530
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,679
would be responsible for this sighting

531
00:23:55,510 --> 00:23:52,799
because

532
00:23:57,510 --> 00:23:55,520
um although heineken is quoted as saying

533
00:24:00,310 --> 00:23:57,520
it's about an hour away

534
00:24:02,310 --> 00:24:00,320
the edge of the missile range apparently

535
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,320
is only 12

536
00:24:07,830 --> 00:24:04,480
uh miles from the actual

537
00:24:10,870 --> 00:24:07,840
uh site of where it landed

538
00:24:12,950 --> 00:24:10,880
so everyone you know why would you not

539
00:24:14,549 --> 00:24:12,960
kind of assume or think right away white

540
00:24:18,549 --> 00:24:14,559
sands has something to do with it and

541
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:18,559
we'll see later on that even though

542
00:24:30,630 --> 00:24:26,710
you know is not in on that explanation

543
00:24:30,640 --> 00:24:36,310
within the air force still are later on

544
00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:40,789
this is pretty interesting um

545
00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,549
for a particular reason

546
00:24:48,230 --> 00:24:44,320
because the bottom

547
00:24:49,750 --> 00:24:48,240
so basically this is uh high next uh

548
00:24:51,510 --> 00:24:49,760
secretary or whatever right in this

549
00:24:53,669 --> 00:24:51,520
letter for him

550
00:24:55,990 --> 00:24:53,679
kathy foss

551
00:24:58,310 --> 00:24:56,000
i sent dr heineck a certificate for

552
00:24:59,990 --> 00:24:58,320
interplanetary blue cross

553
00:25:01,830 --> 00:25:00,000
so i should hope that the air force does

554
00:25:03,669 --> 00:25:01,840
not find itself charged for one withered

555
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,679
finger this is because hynek actually

556
00:25:07,110 --> 00:25:05,120
went to the site and heard his finger

557
00:25:09,029 --> 00:25:07,120
touching the bush

558
00:25:13,990 --> 00:25:09,039
i don't know that's just an interesting

559
00:25:18,549 --> 00:25:15,750
i thought

560
00:25:20,549 --> 00:25:18,559
because i kind of got confused later i

561
00:25:23,909 --> 00:25:20,559
read this heineken piece and he

562
00:25:27,750 --> 00:25:26,070
interplanetary blue cross i'm like what

563
00:25:29,750 --> 00:25:27,760
is this

564
00:25:31,029 --> 00:25:29,760
and then i you know i saw this and put

565
00:25:36,230 --> 00:25:31,039
two and two together or whatever it's

566
00:25:36,240 --> 00:25:40,830
so this is interesting so first of

567
00:25:40,840 --> 00:25:46,390
all i'm going to quickly

568
00:25:50,070 --> 00:25:48,470
kind of tell you and let you know all

569
00:25:52,630 --> 00:25:50,080
the different things

570
00:25:56,230 --> 00:25:52,640
that was done as far as looking into

571
00:25:56,240 --> 00:26:00,149
so

572
00:26:09,269 --> 00:26:03,430
this is a little small huh

573
00:26:12,549 --> 00:26:10,870
nope it doesn't blow it up on your end

574
00:26:17,909 --> 00:26:12,559
just mine

575
00:26:26,549 --> 00:26:21,029
i gotta figure this out

576
00:26:30,950 --> 00:26:29,590
yeah so well you got the documents if

577
00:26:34,149 --> 00:26:30,960
you

578
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:34,159
want to check it out later but

579
00:26:43,909 --> 00:26:42,070
they sent letters hector sent letters to

580
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:43,919
each one of these companies

581
00:26:48,789 --> 00:26:47,200
because they had a known interest in

582
00:26:50,230 --> 00:26:48,799
um

583
00:26:52,149 --> 00:26:50,240
landing modules

584
00:26:53,669 --> 00:26:52,159
you know apollo 11 was pretty big at

585
00:26:55,510 --> 00:26:53,679
that time

586
00:26:57,350 --> 00:26:55,520
there are a lot of different companies

587
00:26:58,310 --> 00:26:57,360
really investing in

588
00:27:00,310 --> 00:26:58,320
um

589
00:27:01,590 --> 00:27:00,320
you know the space program

590
00:27:03,269 --> 00:27:01,600
i think that might have been one of the

591
00:27:05,510 --> 00:27:03,279
biggest years

592
00:27:06,470 --> 00:27:05,520
of money spent on that

593
00:27:08,070 --> 00:27:06,480
and there are a lot of different

594
00:27:08,870 --> 00:27:08,080
companies helping in a lot of different

595
00:27:11,350 --> 00:27:08,880
ways

596
00:27:13,110 --> 00:27:11,360
with this stuff

597
00:27:14,470 --> 00:27:13,120
so you can see it some of the different

598
00:27:16,630 --> 00:27:14,480
companies

599
00:27:22,389 --> 00:27:16,640
first of all it starts off interestingly

600
00:27:26,789 --> 00:27:24,149
right at the top

601
00:27:29,350 --> 00:27:26,799
even though instead of just trying to

602
00:27:31,430 --> 00:27:29,360
get in touch with nasa

603
00:27:32,710 --> 00:27:31,440
because they supervised all of them

604
00:27:36,230 --> 00:27:32,720
they went to all these different

605
00:27:38,389 --> 00:27:36,240
companies and wrote letters

606
00:27:40,789 --> 00:27:38,399
you have some that you'll definitely

607
00:27:43,890 --> 00:27:40,799
recognize hughes aircraft

608
00:27:43,900 --> 00:27:47,110
[Music]

609
00:27:53,430 --> 00:27:50,549
lockheed aircraft

610
00:27:57,350 --> 00:27:53,440
and planetary systems interesting those

611
00:27:59,430 --> 00:27:57,360
could be good to look up at some point

612
00:28:02,870 --> 00:27:59,440
for those investigators out there

613
00:28:05,750 --> 00:28:02,880
we got bendex cleveland pneumatic um

614
00:28:08,149 --> 00:28:05,760
all these for the most part all of them

615
00:28:17,350 --> 00:28:10,789
you know here's where i kind of get

616
00:28:17,360 --> 00:28:21,510
there's records for

617
00:28:26,630 --> 00:28:23,430
some of these

618
00:28:29,990 --> 00:28:26,640
places getting back to them

619
00:28:33,350 --> 00:28:30,000
but there's not records for all of them

620
00:28:38,710 --> 00:28:35,269
as far as this goes

621
00:28:41,590 --> 00:28:38,720
in this you know um letter outreach

622
00:28:48,149 --> 00:28:41,600
did not get back to them

623
00:28:54,230 --> 00:28:51,590
um now something you should know is that

624
00:28:58,470 --> 00:28:54,240
nasa did have something

625
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,510
that they were testing

626
00:29:06,230 --> 00:29:04,630
now it turned out not to be this

627
00:29:08,310 --> 00:29:06,240
but i thought i'd mention it since it's

628
00:29:10,310 --> 00:29:08,320
at white sands missile range

629
00:29:12,149 --> 00:29:10,320
uh the fiery explosion of a little gel

630
00:29:14,230 --> 00:29:12,159
rocket shattered the early morning calm

631
00:29:16,950 --> 00:29:14,240
today in a test of the apollo moon

632
00:29:17,750 --> 00:29:16,960
spacecraft launch escape system this was

633
00:29:20,070 --> 00:29:17,760
not

634
00:29:21,590 --> 00:29:20,080
the day of the incident

635
00:29:23,110 --> 00:29:21,600
this is just kind of describing

636
00:29:24,789 --> 00:29:23,120
everything it

637
00:29:27,110 --> 00:29:24,799
was in the desert

638
00:29:28,710 --> 00:29:27,120
one of the parachutes like failed

639
00:29:30,389 --> 00:29:28,720
at the bottom you can see is gordon

640
00:29:33,430 --> 00:29:30,399
cooper

641
00:29:37,830 --> 00:29:35,750
and now i'll just kind of give you a

642
00:29:44,070 --> 00:29:37,840
quick look at the things that dropped

643
00:29:47,669 --> 00:29:46,149
so if it was one of these although it's

644
00:29:49,190 --> 00:29:47,679
white

645
00:29:54,389 --> 00:29:49,200
um

646
00:29:58,149 --> 00:29:55,990
you know without

647
00:30:00,549 --> 00:29:58,159
you know zamora said it went back up and

648
00:30:02,149 --> 00:30:00,559
left so i just don't think it's this it

649
00:30:04,310 --> 00:30:02,159
was this parachute

650
00:30:05,750 --> 00:30:04,320
it would be too hard to clean up

651
00:30:11,110 --> 00:30:05,760
um

652
00:30:11,120 --> 00:30:16,070
interesting that you mentioned uh cooper

653
00:30:20,230 --> 00:30:18,310
like a ufo at like coleman air force

654
00:30:23,269 --> 00:30:20,240
base

655
00:30:25,029 --> 00:30:23,279
you know they talk about that

656
00:30:27,990 --> 00:30:25,039
in regards to this but it's not a

657
00:30:30,549 --> 00:30:28,000
confirmed um situation again that was

658
00:30:33,750 --> 00:30:30,559
written in apro i think it was either

659
00:30:37,029 --> 00:30:33,760
that or or nycap did it and that's not

660
00:30:38,630 --> 00:30:37,039
uh it was never confirmed

661
00:30:40,389 --> 00:30:38,640
although

662
00:30:43,269 --> 00:30:40,399
it's a pretty interesting story because

663
00:30:45,669 --> 00:30:43,279
a pilot in the story says that

664
00:30:48,070 --> 00:30:45,679
um he's got a ufo up there

665
00:30:50,389 --> 00:30:48,080
and they ask him about it and ask him to

666
00:30:52,950 --> 00:30:50,399
tell him what it looks like

667
00:30:53,750 --> 00:30:52,960
and he mentions the insignia

668
00:30:54,710 --> 00:30:53,760
um

669
00:30:56,549 --> 00:30:54,720
that's

670
00:30:59,110 --> 00:30:56,559
just like

671
00:30:59,120 --> 00:31:03,269
pretty pretty interesting

672
00:31:09,990 --> 00:31:06,070
so you get to that

673
00:31:13,909 --> 00:31:11,990
it's so it's like what are you gonna do

674
00:31:16,870 --> 00:31:13,919
i couldn't find a case for it at that

675
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:16,880
time although i have found sightings

676
00:31:21,029 --> 00:31:19,440
um and even a couple pictures from that

677
00:31:22,710 --> 00:31:21,039
base

678
00:31:25,590 --> 00:31:22,720
but it was like

679
00:31:28,389 --> 00:31:25,600
seven years prior to that so

680
00:31:30,549 --> 00:31:28,399
this is talking about hynek

681
00:31:35,190 --> 00:31:30,559
he's the scientist

682
00:31:38,789 --> 00:31:36,789
basically these set of interviews that

683
00:31:39,750 --> 00:31:38,799
were done over the radio where a

684
00:31:41,909 --> 00:31:39,760
heineken

685
00:31:43,430 --> 00:31:41,919
did a rate uh interview actually it

686
00:31:45,190 --> 00:31:43,440
might have been zamora well it must have

687
00:31:47,029 --> 00:31:45,200
been high neck versus heineken first and

688
00:31:48,789 --> 00:31:47,039
then zamora

689
00:31:50,630 --> 00:31:48,799
those are in the folder that i shared

690
00:31:52,950 --> 00:31:50,640
with you the google drive folder and

691
00:31:55,509 --> 00:31:52,960
once you what you should listen to there

692
00:31:57,350 --> 00:31:55,519
is about these markings see at the

693
00:31:58,950 --> 00:31:57,360
bottom it says no one in the air force

694
00:32:01,590 --> 00:31:58,960
even suggested that nothing should be

695
00:32:03,430 --> 00:32:01,600
said about the markings

696
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,440
zamora goes up next on the radio

697
00:32:10,310 --> 00:32:05,600
interview and completely says the

698
00:32:14,710 --> 00:32:12,710
so i found that to be

699
00:32:17,269 --> 00:32:14,720
quite interesting i still think it's

700
00:32:19,590 --> 00:32:17,279
possible that maybe

701
00:32:24,149 --> 00:32:19,600
hynek didn't know about that

702
00:32:29,430 --> 00:32:27,190
so i've i've been thinking this lately

703
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:29,440
and i don't know you know

704
00:32:36,310 --> 00:32:31,519
how much

705
00:32:40,630 --> 00:32:38,950
i haven't been trusting him so much

706
00:32:42,710 --> 00:32:40,640
i mean think about it like there's so

707
00:32:43,990 --> 00:32:42,720
much secrecy that went on

708
00:32:46,789 --> 00:32:44,000
for so long

709
00:32:48,470 --> 00:32:46,799
and heineken was there from 47 till you

710
00:32:50,230 --> 00:32:48,480
know whatever it was the end of blue

711
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:50,240
book

712
00:32:54,950 --> 00:32:52,720
that's a long time that's the like one

713
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,960
for sure consistent guy

714
00:32:58,950 --> 00:32:56,880
that was been there the whole time and

715
00:33:02,389 --> 00:32:58,960
then not to mention

716
00:33:05,590 --> 00:33:02,399
um the letters i found

717
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,600
where he's writing the raaf uh

718
00:33:10,549 --> 00:33:07,679
australian air force about getting

719
00:33:12,710 --> 00:33:10,559
information on their sightings

720
00:33:16,470 --> 00:33:12,720
and sharing it with dr dugan and uh

721
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:18,789
or shock valet sorry i always say

722
00:33:24,149 --> 00:33:22,080
jacques that's not how you say it

723
00:33:26,870 --> 00:33:24,159
but he comes up in this case actually uh

724
00:33:29,909 --> 00:33:26,880
funny enough valet um so here we go it's

725
00:33:31,509 --> 00:33:29,919
uh major quintilla quintanilla is

726
00:33:33,590 --> 00:33:31,519
convinced that uh

727
00:33:36,070 --> 00:33:33,600
the sighting is neither a hoax nor a

728
00:33:38,070 --> 00:33:36,080
hallucination but feels perhaps that

729
00:33:40,070 --> 00:33:38,080
some sort of test to object war games

730
00:33:42,789 --> 00:33:40,080
etc might have been going on however

731
00:33:44,630 --> 00:33:42,799
there is no record of such even though

732
00:33:47,029 --> 00:33:44,640
he has tried to track this down through

733
00:33:48,870 --> 00:33:47,039
white sands holman air force base and a

734
00:33:50,470 --> 00:33:48,880
few others

735
00:33:53,269 --> 00:33:50,480
uh i would like to go along with the

736
00:33:54,950 --> 00:33:53,279
halluci this is heinek basically talking

737
00:33:57,990 --> 00:33:54,960
to menzel

738
00:34:00,549 --> 00:33:58,000
who wrote a a bunk like a debunking

739
00:34:03,110 --> 00:34:00,559
letter um to heinek because heineken

740
00:34:05,029 --> 00:34:03,120
challenged menzel he's

741
00:34:06,389 --> 00:34:05,039
in in one of the writing signs said i'd

742
00:34:09,510 --> 00:34:06,399
like to see him come up with an

743
00:34:12,149 --> 00:34:09,520
explanation for this exclamation point

744
00:34:14,869 --> 00:34:12,159
um and so he came up with one all right

745
00:34:16,790 --> 00:34:14,879
with this loi lyle guy too lyle boyd or

746
00:34:17,990 --> 00:34:16,800
something

747
00:34:20,629 --> 00:34:18,000
which might have been his wife or

748
00:34:26,230 --> 00:34:20,639
something i'm not sure but anyways

749
00:34:26,240 --> 00:34:29,270
um

750
00:34:33,270 --> 00:34:30,950
so yeah it's pretty interesting you have

751
00:34:35,669 --> 00:34:33,280
things like and i have the word of nine

752
00:34:37,750 --> 00:34:35,679
witnesses who saw the marks within hours

753
00:34:40,149 --> 00:34:37,760
of the incident who tell me that the

754
00:34:41,990 --> 00:34:40,159
center of the marks were moist as though

755
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,000
the topsoil had been freshly pushed

756
00:34:47,109 --> 00:34:44,560
aside the four marks when plotted out

757
00:34:50,149 --> 00:34:47,119
lie such that the diagonals intercept at

758
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:50,159
exactly 90 degrees which may or may not

759
00:34:56,470 --> 00:34:52,480
be significant well it turns out that it

760
00:34:58,310 --> 00:34:56,480
is because it had to be on a circle

761
00:35:00,870 --> 00:34:58,320
object

762
00:35:02,950 --> 00:35:00,880
what's kind of interesting to me is this

763
00:35:06,470 --> 00:35:02,960
nine witnesses that's a lot of witnesses

764
00:35:09,270 --> 00:35:06,480
to be at the site right away

765
00:35:15,190 --> 00:35:09,280
and i could see a lot of stuff being

766
00:35:15,200 --> 00:35:17,990
so

767
00:35:21,990 --> 00:35:20,710
now we'll get into

768
00:35:27,589 --> 00:35:22,000
i'm just going to go through a couple

769
00:35:32,390 --> 00:35:29,270
so

770
00:35:34,230 --> 00:35:32,400
we have richard t holder captain usa

771
00:35:36,870 --> 00:35:34,240
uprange commander was notified by

772
00:35:38,470 --> 00:35:36,880
lieutenant hicks executive officer at

773
00:35:41,430 --> 00:35:38,480
usag

774
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:41,440
um that he had just been notified by mr

775
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,800
d arthur barnes jr who's the fbi agent

776
00:35:48,470 --> 00:35:46,960
of a reported ufo in the area so this is

777
00:35:50,870 --> 00:35:48,480
like how it started

778
00:35:52,550 --> 00:35:50,880
lieutenant hicks said that mr barnes

779
00:35:54,069 --> 00:35:52,560
would like me to contact him at the

780
00:35:55,990 --> 00:35:54,079
state police

781
00:36:01,109 --> 00:35:56,000
yada yada

782
00:36:04,150 --> 00:36:03,030
so they went by the same vehicles

783
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,160
interesting

784
00:36:10,069 --> 00:36:05,920
so it's kind of holders rundown of what

785
00:36:17,910 --> 00:36:11,829
but the interesting part i remember why

786
00:36:22,710 --> 00:36:19,750
and at the bottom here it says by

787
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:22,720
request of the fbi

788
00:36:28,550 --> 00:36:25,520
please do not refer it to the fbi as

789
00:36:30,950 --> 00:36:28,560
participating in any fashion

790
00:36:36,150 --> 00:36:30,960
use of local law enforcement authorities

791
00:36:45,430 --> 00:36:38,870
interesting huh

792
00:36:50,150 --> 00:36:47,990
interesting

793
00:36:53,670 --> 00:36:50,160
how does that

794
00:36:54,970 --> 00:36:53,680
sir psych good comment yes i've seen

795
00:37:05,750 --> 00:36:54,980
this a couple times already

796
00:37:11,829 --> 00:37:08,150
um yeah so there are pictures of

797
00:37:15,910 --> 00:37:14,470
um in the pictures that

798
00:37:18,710 --> 00:37:15,920
you know that are in blue book and

799
00:37:20,150 --> 00:37:18,720
everything you can't really

800
00:37:22,950 --> 00:37:20,160
you can't really tell so much because

801
00:37:26,150 --> 00:37:22,960
the pictures aren't that great

802
00:37:29,750 --> 00:37:27,910
this is interesting because it actually

803
00:37:32,230 --> 00:37:29,760
has a measurement of

804
00:37:34,630 --> 00:37:32,240
the said footprints

805
00:37:36,870 --> 00:37:34,640
supposedly

806
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:36,880
undetermined due to type of soil but

807
00:37:40,790 --> 00:37:39,280
possible end of footprint depth half an

808
00:37:42,950 --> 00:37:40,800
inch

809
00:37:46,230 --> 00:37:42,960
noted possibly more

810
00:37:49,510 --> 00:37:46,240
destroyed by personnel in that area

811
00:37:54,630 --> 00:37:51,910
footprints in soft sand

812
00:38:01,670 --> 00:37:54,640
note one set of prints in area

813
00:38:05,430 --> 00:38:03,430
so yeah

814
00:38:07,589 --> 00:38:05,440
you know what's interesting too is this

815
00:38:10,150 --> 00:38:07,599
you can tell that there's a drawing on

816
00:38:12,550 --> 00:38:10,160
the back of this

817
00:38:15,430 --> 00:38:12,560
you can see that

818
00:38:17,670 --> 00:38:15,440
what are they doing two-sided for

819
00:38:19,670 --> 00:38:17,680
so stupid

820
00:38:21,990 --> 00:38:19,680
because of you know you can ruin your

821
00:38:25,750 --> 00:38:23,270
but i think what they were drawn

822
00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:25,760
actually this is the back of it i would

823
00:38:31,680 --> 00:38:34,710
so

824
00:38:37,750 --> 00:38:36,069
you can read it kind of for yourself

825
00:38:39,910 --> 00:38:37,760
these are the different drawings you got

826
00:38:42,470 --> 00:38:39,920
a couple burns here burn one burn two

827
00:38:45,190 --> 00:38:42,480
burn three and then these are the prince

828
00:38:47,589 --> 00:38:45,200
one two three four and those are of oh

829
00:38:56,230 --> 00:38:47,599
there's another burn up there

830
00:38:58,790 --> 00:38:57,589
indicated that

831
00:39:00,480 --> 00:38:58,800
so i'm going over to the right

832
00:39:02,069 --> 00:39:00,490
examination

833
00:39:05,510 --> 00:39:02,079
[Music]

834
00:39:08,630 --> 00:39:05,520
the area indicated that one in two

835
00:39:11,349 --> 00:39:08,640
burns had heat applied in a straight or

836
00:39:13,109 --> 00:39:11,359
almost straight down direction

837
00:39:15,510 --> 00:39:13,119
and that you know lines up with the

838
00:39:18,230 --> 00:39:15,520
earlier document we looked at

839
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:18,240
that said uh you know the 90 degree

840
00:39:24,390 --> 00:39:20,720
whatever with the legs and they have a

841
00:39:30,069 --> 00:39:26,069
and directly underneath it were the burn

842
00:39:33,750 --> 00:39:31,670
interesting about these burn marks is

843
00:39:35,589 --> 00:39:33,760
they did a chemical analysis on this

844
00:39:37,349 --> 00:39:35,599
stuff

845
00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:37,359
and they said that there is nothing

846
00:39:42,069 --> 00:39:39,440
weird no propellants no chemicals

847
00:39:43,750 --> 00:39:42,079
nothing

848
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,760
if it was man-made too wouldn't it have

849
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:45,440
something on there i don't know that's

850
00:39:59,510 --> 00:39:51,990
we got another

851
00:40:03,589 --> 00:40:01,430
another drawing these people were very

852
00:40:07,670 --> 00:40:03,599
talented artists

853
00:40:12,870 --> 00:40:09,109
i'm just kidding i'm not going to start

854
00:40:17,910 --> 00:40:15,670
but you can look at these on my website

855
00:40:21,670 --> 00:40:17,920
and all you have to do is go to the

856
00:40:23,670 --> 00:40:21,680
photos on my website blue book photos

857
00:40:25,589 --> 00:40:23,680
and you click on that and it shows you

858
00:40:27,270 --> 00:40:25,599
the hundreds of sets of photos i have

859
00:40:28,630 --> 00:40:27,280
and there's a few cases that i set up

860
00:40:31,109 --> 00:40:28,640
with the actual

861
00:40:34,630 --> 00:40:31,119
blue book cases to go along with those

862
00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:34,640
photos and this one um socorro is one of

863
00:40:37,119 --> 00:40:41,829
so this back to the symbol

864
00:40:46,710 --> 00:40:44,309
sketch made by a patrol man

865
00:40:49,829 --> 00:40:46,720
approximately five minutes

866
00:40:51,670 --> 00:40:49,839
after object departed

867
00:40:56,309 --> 00:40:51,680
so you can see what that looks like

868
00:41:00,470 --> 00:40:58,309
this would be the symbol there's no way

869
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,480
anyone got to him fast enough and

870
00:41:06,710 --> 00:41:03,440
convinced him to make a fake symbol

871
00:41:08,710 --> 00:41:06,720
and he puts that down as a fake symbol

872
00:41:11,910 --> 00:41:08,720
five minutes after the object departed

873
00:41:14,309 --> 00:41:11,920
that i just don't buy it

874
00:41:16,790 --> 00:41:14,319
now the one thing you can say is how it

875
00:41:19,109 --> 00:41:16,800
says el zamora there the penmanship

876
00:41:22,230 --> 00:41:19,119
there is quite a bit different than how

877
00:41:28,870 --> 00:41:22,240
zamora signed his later drawings

878
00:41:35,430 --> 00:41:33,109
so who did that was which is which

879
00:41:38,309 --> 00:41:35,440
somehow we have to get

880
00:41:40,390 --> 00:41:38,319
zamora's penmanship or signature

881
00:41:43,270 --> 00:41:40,400
outside of this case

882
00:41:44,950 --> 00:41:43,280
and that i think would do a lot for this

883
00:41:49,589 --> 00:41:44,960
little bit here

884
00:41:55,589 --> 00:41:52,470
one could say that captain holder or the

885
00:41:57,109 --> 00:41:55,599
fbi agent who specifically told holder

886
00:41:58,630 --> 00:41:57,119
not to mention them

887
00:42:03,030 --> 00:41:58,640
being involved

888
00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:08,309
that's what i would say

889
00:42:11,750 --> 00:42:09,990
um this is a little bit more about the

890
00:42:14,309 --> 00:42:11,760
markings and as i said the laboratory

891
00:42:16,309 --> 00:42:14,319
analysis of soil samples disclose no

892
00:42:20,470 --> 00:42:16,319
foreign material or radiation above

893
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,030
laboratory analysis of soil samples

894
00:42:26,710 --> 00:42:25,280
no for material or radiation above

895
00:42:28,710 --> 00:42:26,720
normal

896
00:42:32,470 --> 00:42:28,720
now it's interesting because i was told

897
00:42:34,950 --> 00:42:32,480
that this ufo witness show on television

898
00:42:37,750 --> 00:42:34,960
went to this site and recorded

899
00:42:40,060 --> 00:42:37,760
higher than normal radiation signals i

900
00:42:41,670 --> 00:42:40,070
haven't seen the episode

901
00:42:43,270 --> 00:42:41,680
[Music]

902
00:42:45,510 --> 00:42:43,280
but i guess my first thought anyways is

903
00:42:48,550 --> 00:42:45,520
so much time has passed

904
00:42:50,550 --> 00:42:48,560
would that even be relevant i don't know

905
00:42:54,470 --> 00:42:50,560
i don't know that works i would assume

906
00:42:58,470 --> 00:42:57,030
um the other symbols

907
00:43:01,589 --> 00:42:58,480
yeah we can get there

908
00:43:04,710 --> 00:43:01,599
um i'll just show you this first two

909
00:43:06,309 --> 00:43:04,720
here's a symbol without the ark on top

910
00:43:09,670 --> 00:43:06,319
interesting

911
00:43:12,470 --> 00:43:09,680
somebody put similar h19 medical version

912
00:43:14,150 --> 00:43:12,480
uh there is definitely not an h19

913
00:43:19,750 --> 00:43:14,160
medical version that is a straight up

914
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,630
so

915
00:43:28,550 --> 00:43:24,230
i don't know who the hell

916
00:43:33,670 --> 00:43:30,950
um the other symbols yeah so the other

917
00:43:36,309 --> 00:43:33,680
symbols we can find first of all this is

918
00:43:39,750 --> 00:43:36,319
kind of the famous document that james

919
00:43:47,190 --> 00:43:39,760
james fox uh shared on his documentary

920
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:54,230
so you can see this um dear r d and m

921
00:43:58,550 --> 00:43:56,309
i don't think i can remember off the top

922
00:44:03,190 --> 00:43:58,560
of my head no but i actually have this

923
00:44:11,109 --> 00:44:07,190
i have written this down yeah because

924
00:44:13,990 --> 00:44:11,119
so first my first question is who's rd m

925
00:44:15,750 --> 00:44:14,000
um and i looked it up a little bit and

926
00:44:17,510 --> 00:44:15,760
these three people were

927
00:44:21,030 --> 00:44:17,520
involved with this case in their first

928
00:44:22,550 --> 00:44:21,040
names match richard holder

929
00:44:24,630 --> 00:44:22,560
david moody

930
00:44:26,230 --> 00:44:24,640
and mast and jax

931
00:44:28,230 --> 00:44:26,240
and they're all mentioned at one point

932
00:44:30,790 --> 00:44:28,240
or another in these documents is taking

933
00:44:33,030 --> 00:44:30,800
part in this investigation

934
00:44:38,630 --> 00:44:33,040
so i would have to imagine that he's

935
00:44:45,270 --> 00:44:40,630
so here's the other symbol here that you

936
00:44:49,910 --> 00:44:48,150
you know first of all i i hate

937
00:44:52,870 --> 00:44:49,920
this beautiful cursive because it's hard

938
00:44:55,430 --> 00:44:52,880
to read it perfectly

939
00:45:01,270 --> 00:44:58,150
but yeah so it goes on to this it starts

940
00:45:05,270 --> 00:45:02,829
he draws it like

941
00:45:08,710 --> 00:45:05,280
that which is

942
00:45:12,710 --> 00:45:10,790
but also if they're meant to change it

943
00:45:15,670 --> 00:45:12,720
maybe at this point is he using a fake

944
00:45:18,069 --> 00:45:15,680
one on purpose in case

945
00:45:19,349 --> 00:45:18,079
somebody else sees it i don't know or is

946
00:45:20,390 --> 00:45:19,359
it vice versa

947
00:45:23,750 --> 00:45:20,400
so

948
00:45:26,069 --> 00:45:23,760
there's a ray stanford or whatever that

949
00:45:29,670 --> 00:45:26,079
actually took a picture with this letter

950
00:45:29,680 --> 00:45:34,550
and

951
00:45:37,349 --> 00:45:36,150
you know started like tearing up that he

952
00:45:40,069 --> 00:45:37,359
was like

953
00:45:43,190 --> 00:45:40,079
vindicated or whatever about his theory

954
00:45:45,670 --> 00:45:43,200
on the symbol which

955
00:45:47,750 --> 00:45:45,680
i don't know i guess that guy is not the

956
00:45:49,349 --> 00:45:47,760
most reliable

957
00:45:52,790 --> 00:45:49,359
i can't really say i haven't looked into

958
00:45:59,190 --> 00:45:55,990
so but this is that

959
00:46:00,870 --> 00:45:59,200
and then it goes into

960
00:46:01,910 --> 00:46:00,880
like he's got some house on the lake or

961
00:46:03,190 --> 00:46:01,920
something

962
00:46:07,030 --> 00:46:03,200
and then

963
00:46:08,950 --> 00:46:07,040
you know what i don't think is shown

964
00:46:12,550 --> 00:46:08,960
you know in the phenomenon movie with

965
00:46:16,870 --> 00:46:15,510
or elsewhere

966
00:46:21,270 --> 00:46:16,880
is

967
00:46:22,870 --> 00:46:21,280
second page

968
00:46:24,710 --> 00:46:22,880
which you know isn't really that great

969
00:46:30,950 --> 00:46:24,720
or anything it just talks about his

970
00:46:41,349 --> 00:46:33,510
that he is building and breaking ground

971
00:46:45,190 --> 00:46:43,750
kind of makes it you know yeah i get a

972
00:46:47,910 --> 00:46:45,200
lot of thoughts when i think about that

973
00:46:49,430 --> 00:46:47,920
stuff though like what

974
00:46:51,030 --> 00:46:49,440
what is he including that for but

975
00:46:52,630 --> 00:46:51,040
anyways in that letter so what he

976
00:46:54,230 --> 00:46:52,640
mentions in that letter that i just

977
00:46:56,309 --> 00:46:54,240
showed you is this company called

978
00:46:57,510 --> 00:46:56,319
astropower

979
00:47:00,390 --> 00:46:57,520
and

980
00:47:03,589 --> 00:47:00,400
he suggests or says maybe we should

981
00:47:08,230 --> 00:47:05,670
because why does he keep doing that god

982
00:47:12,950 --> 00:47:10,870
because this is their symbol

983
00:47:15,349 --> 00:47:12,960
and you can see to develop advanced

984
00:47:19,990 --> 00:47:15,359
propulsion systems and power equipment

985
00:47:23,430 --> 00:47:21,510
and that symbol

986
00:47:25,430 --> 00:47:23,440
there's no symbols of any of those

987
00:47:27,910 --> 00:47:25,440
companies that we went through that get

988
00:47:29,349 --> 00:47:27,920
even remotely close

989
00:47:31,589 --> 00:47:29,359
to the

990
00:47:32,790 --> 00:47:31,599
couple different symbols that we have to

991
00:47:34,630 --> 00:47:32,800
work with

992
00:47:38,630 --> 00:47:34,640
none of them get close this is the

993
00:47:41,190 --> 00:47:38,640
closest one to it

994
00:47:43,670 --> 00:47:41,200
now and you can imagine if they put that

995
00:47:45,430 --> 00:47:43,680
on a ship

996
00:47:47,750 --> 00:47:45,440
and they got rid of like this center

997
00:47:50,790 --> 00:47:47,760
atom thing

998
00:47:55,670 --> 00:47:53,190
i'd be more convinced

999
00:47:58,069 --> 00:47:55,680
definitely but still

1000
00:48:01,430 --> 00:47:58,079
but the interesting part of this is to

1001
00:48:05,510 --> 00:48:04,390
esther power's roots so douglas

1002
00:48:07,670 --> 00:48:05,520
um

1003
00:48:09,270 --> 00:48:07,680
douglas aircraft company subsidiary of

1004
00:48:11,349 --> 00:48:09,280
them

1005
00:48:13,109 --> 00:48:11,359
and as of now uh douglas aircraft

1006
00:48:14,549 --> 00:48:13,119
company where they're you know where

1007
00:48:18,230 --> 00:48:14,559
they ended up

1008
00:48:18,240 --> 00:48:23,430
so i find that interesting

1009
00:48:27,510 --> 00:48:24,950
i believe

1010
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:27,520
um there is a ufo researcher on twitter

1011
00:48:31,109 --> 00:48:29,040
who actually was doing a lot of work

1012
00:48:34,150 --> 00:48:31,119
with the

1013
00:48:36,870 --> 00:48:34,160
you know believe him or not the

1014
00:48:38,470 --> 00:48:36,880
uh admiral wilson notes and was trying

1015
00:48:40,309 --> 00:48:38,480
to track down which company it would be

1016
00:48:42,950 --> 00:48:40,319
that had this material and she actually

1017
00:48:45,430 --> 00:48:42,960
got to pretty far and got to a place

1018
00:48:46,950 --> 00:48:45,440
where you know she thought it was bowing

1019
00:48:48,870 --> 00:48:46,960
so i don't know

1020
00:48:50,309 --> 00:48:48,880
long beach california we hear that all

1021
00:48:52,470 --> 00:48:50,319
the time

1022
00:48:55,109 --> 00:48:52,480
that's douglas aircraft

1023
00:48:56,150 --> 00:48:55,119
another interesting aspect about this

1024
00:48:57,349 --> 00:48:56,160
is

1025
00:48:59,270 --> 00:48:57,359
heinek

1026
00:49:00,549 --> 00:48:59,280
was given this

1027
00:49:03,910 --> 00:49:00,559
by a

1028
00:49:09,990 --> 00:49:05,349
and you can read that in forbidden

1029
00:49:14,710 --> 00:49:12,870
so i find that interesting

1030
00:49:17,750 --> 00:49:14,720
la's helping heineck with this stuff

1031
00:49:19,750 --> 00:49:17,760
sees this say check this out

1032
00:49:21,829 --> 00:49:19,760
but also

1033
00:49:27,589 --> 00:49:21,839
you know since this came up so much

1034
00:49:32,710 --> 00:49:29,910
that just makes you wonder like why does

1035
00:49:38,309 --> 00:49:32,720
he trying to

1036
00:49:42,069 --> 00:49:40,069
it could have been any funny business

1037
00:49:43,670 --> 00:49:42,079
other than just hey don't use the symbol

1038
00:49:45,510 --> 00:49:43,680
if they're still looking

1039
00:49:50,069 --> 00:49:45,520
and trying to find

1040
00:49:52,309 --> 00:49:50,079
the right symbol but if they are this

1041
00:49:58,710 --> 00:49:52,319
matches the first one to me it does not

1042
00:50:07,270 --> 00:50:03,109
that's another reason i personally think

1043
00:50:12,470 --> 00:50:09,829
that zamora initially drew five minutes

1044
00:50:18,390 --> 00:50:12,480
after the object departed is the real

1045
00:50:22,549 --> 00:50:21,750
that's what i think that's what i think

1046
00:50:24,230 --> 00:50:22,559
so

1047
00:50:25,589 --> 00:50:24,240
i kind of gave you everything i could

1048
00:50:27,430 --> 00:50:25,599
about the

1049
00:50:30,150 --> 00:50:27,440
symbols you know it's

1050
00:50:31,750 --> 00:50:30,160
still a confusion to me it just makes so

1051
00:50:32,870 --> 00:50:31,760
much more sense that it would be the

1052
00:50:36,549 --> 00:50:32,880
first one

1053
00:50:42,790 --> 00:50:39,030
um they never you know zamora doesn't

1054
00:50:44,150 --> 00:50:42,800
say that they told him not to draw it

1055
00:50:45,030 --> 00:50:44,160
you know when he's giving them their

1056
00:50:51,510 --> 00:50:45,040
case

1057
00:50:55,750 --> 00:50:52,829
but i don't

1058
00:50:57,990 --> 00:50:55,760
know i

1059
00:51:02,230 --> 00:50:58,000
don't know that's

1060
00:51:06,150 --> 00:51:03,829
so these may be a little bit of a

1061
00:51:08,870 --> 00:51:06,160
hodgepodge of a random thing before i

1062
00:51:11,349 --> 00:51:08,880
get to the final

1063
00:51:13,109 --> 00:51:11,359
part of this which are the documents

1064
00:51:19,109 --> 00:51:13,119
that i found in the the great falls

1065
00:51:23,670 --> 00:51:21,510
which i think are pretty interesting

1066
00:51:25,829 --> 00:51:23,680
to be quite honest with you um it

1067
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:25,839
doesn't sew anything up no but it goes

1068
00:51:29,829 --> 00:51:28,079
to show how much more they investigated

1069
00:51:31,589 --> 00:51:29,839
this than

1070
00:51:34,309 --> 00:51:31,599
i think people realize as far as like a

1071
00:51:36,309 --> 00:51:34,319
man-made thing this one first of all it

1072
00:51:38,470 --> 00:51:36,319
says initially believed observation to

1073
00:51:40,150 --> 00:51:38,480
be lunar module type configuration

1074
00:51:42,309 --> 00:51:40,160
effort today cannot be

1075
00:51:44,069 --> 00:51:42,319
uh cannot place vehicle at site case

1076
00:51:48,630 --> 00:51:44,079
carried as unidentified pending

1077
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:54,309
no big deal there i guess

1078
00:52:07,430 --> 00:51:55,750
um

1079
00:52:09,430 --> 00:52:07,440
so heinek is talking to uh chavez who

1080
00:52:10,870 --> 00:52:09,440
was uh zamora's buddy basically at the

1081
00:52:14,710 --> 00:52:10,880
cop shop

1082
00:52:16,950 --> 00:52:14,720
and tells him about uh menzel's uh like

1083
00:52:18,470 --> 00:52:16,960
hoax theory and how he had written that

1084
00:52:20,150 --> 00:52:18,480
whole thing up in in the letter and

1085
00:52:21,829 --> 00:52:20,160
everything he didn't want to read it to

1086
00:52:23,670 --> 00:52:21,839
zamora make him feel bad or whatever he

1087
00:52:26,870 --> 00:52:23,680
read it to chavez

1088
00:52:33,190 --> 00:52:28,710
chavez kind of just goes into what

1089
00:52:36,790 --> 00:52:35,349
he said i really feel sorry for lonnie

1090
00:52:38,950 --> 00:52:36,800
he said

1091
00:52:40,470 --> 00:52:38,960
he's had to take an awful lot

1092
00:52:42,470 --> 00:52:40,480
then he told of a recent case where

1093
00:52:44,150 --> 00:52:42,480
zamora was arresting a kid for speeding

1094
00:52:45,829 --> 00:52:44,160
and the kid said what do you want to

1095
00:52:48,069 --> 00:52:45,839
give me a ticket for don't you know a

1096
00:52:51,750 --> 00:52:48,079
flying saucer might come right down on

1097
00:52:55,750 --> 00:52:53,829
i asked him what the whole movie

1098
00:52:58,150 --> 00:52:55,760
situation had been on

1099
00:52:59,670 --> 00:52:58,160
been concerning on zamora and how it had

1100
00:53:01,829 --> 00:52:59,680
affected him he said zamora had not

1101
00:53:04,549 --> 00:53:01,839
wanted to be in the picture

1102
00:53:07,190 --> 00:53:04,559
but it was at the mayor's insistence via

1103
00:53:09,589 --> 00:53:07,200
his boss that he consented to do

1104
00:53:11,190 --> 00:53:09,599
so the movie is another aspect of this

1105
00:53:13,109 --> 00:53:11,200
case

1106
00:53:14,390 --> 00:53:13,119
um which a lot of people don't know but

1107
00:53:16,150 --> 00:53:14,400
the movie

1108
00:53:18,870 --> 00:53:16,160
was actually being made by

1109
00:53:22,390 --> 00:53:18,880
frank strange's who is an evangelic

1110
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:22,400
evangelical uh pastor

1111
00:53:27,750 --> 00:53:23,839
who is making this movie called

1112
00:53:29,990 --> 00:53:27,760
phenomenon 7.7 which zamora his case was

1113
00:53:31,670 --> 00:53:30,000
going to be featured in it as well as

1114
00:53:33,990 --> 00:53:31,680
apparently a case in italy where they

1115
00:53:36,309 --> 00:53:34,000
had footage of an actual saucer

1116
00:53:38,790 --> 00:53:36,319
um and the thing was premiered but you

1117
00:53:40,069 --> 00:53:38,800
can't find it anywhere and some some say

1118
00:53:41,589 --> 00:53:40,079
it was later

1119
00:53:44,950 --> 00:53:41,599
translated to something called flying

1120
00:53:46,710 --> 00:53:44,960
saucers here now no not the book

1121
00:53:49,430 --> 00:53:46,720
by frank edwards

1122
00:53:53,430 --> 00:53:49,440
but a movie and it was on actual public

1123
00:53:55,589 --> 00:53:53,440
television and it aired a couple times

1124
00:53:57,990 --> 00:53:55,599
but you can't find that footage anywhere

1125
00:53:59,750 --> 00:53:58,000
online at least

1126
00:54:01,430 --> 00:53:59,760
nightcap is recorded as saying that

1127
00:54:03,990 --> 00:54:01,440
movie was terrible and it was a big

1128
00:54:06,549 --> 00:54:04,000
letdown so take that for what you want i

1129
00:54:11,030 --> 00:54:08,069
kind of rewind a little bit remember

1130
00:54:12,950 --> 00:54:11,040
that interplanetary blue cross

1131
00:54:16,630 --> 00:54:12,960
insurance so this is how i put it

1132
00:54:23,670 --> 00:54:19,109
i do not have entert interplanetary blue

1133
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:29,589
i so that was interesting

1134
00:54:34,710 --> 00:54:31,190
and what's also interesting is what's

1135
00:54:36,069 --> 00:54:34,720
heinek getting more soil samples for

1136
00:54:38,470 --> 00:54:36,079
does he not trust the ones that were

1137
00:54:42,230 --> 00:54:38,480
already taken i don't know kind of

1138
00:54:46,789 --> 00:54:43,190
um

1139
00:54:49,270 --> 00:54:46,799
let me okay so now the final

1140
00:54:52,470 --> 00:54:49,280
interesting kind of aspect of their

1141
00:54:54,230 --> 00:54:52,480
investigation into a different

1142
00:54:56,870 --> 00:54:54,240
kind of company

1143
00:55:01,670 --> 00:54:56,880
comes by way of avco

1144
00:55:05,670 --> 00:55:04,150
spacing on what it was called

1145
00:55:07,510 --> 00:55:05,680
but it looked like a flying saucer

1146
00:55:09,750 --> 00:55:07,520
there's videos of it

1147
00:55:11,750 --> 00:55:09,760
i think it was an army or something

1148
00:55:13,190 --> 00:55:11,760
um and this video of it going like three

1149
00:55:15,030 --> 00:55:13,200
or four feet off the ground and it

1150
00:55:18,069 --> 00:55:15,040
wobbles and stuff and there's a guy in

1151
00:55:19,349 --> 00:55:18,079
it and it was known as a bust

1152
00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:19,359
um

1153
00:55:24,710 --> 00:55:20,960
was it really bust i don't know but

1154
00:55:24,720 --> 00:55:27,109
so

1155
00:55:32,870 --> 00:55:30,870
we have a letter here to hector

1156
00:55:35,910 --> 00:55:32,880
oh yeah this is different he's talking

1157
00:55:39,030 --> 00:55:35,920
about avro yeah this is avco oh this is

1158
00:55:42,309 --> 00:55:40,470
forget that that's why you're here

1159
00:55:43,829 --> 00:55:42,319
robert

1160
00:55:46,150 --> 00:55:43,839
oh yeah and for edmund we got to make

1161
00:55:48,390 --> 00:55:46,160
these documents bigger

1162
00:55:50,390 --> 00:55:48,400
i got to do that every time sorry

1163
00:55:51,829 --> 00:55:50,400
but this is interesting uh dear major

1164
00:55:54,390 --> 00:55:51,839
for what it's worth i pass it on it

1165
00:55:57,910 --> 00:55:54,400
refers to the squirrel case my

1166
00:56:03,589 --> 00:55:59,990
talking about the subject uh to one of

1167
00:56:06,309 --> 00:56:03,599
her dormitory mates at college and

1168
00:56:08,069 --> 00:56:06,319
succeeded in frightening roommate which

1169
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:08,079
is interesting

1170
00:56:11,990 --> 00:56:10,160
uh the girl in question went home and

1171
00:56:13,990 --> 00:56:12,000
told her father who happens to work at

1172
00:56:15,910 --> 00:56:14,000
for avco he was quite interested but

1173
00:56:18,230 --> 00:56:15,920
said to the girl i can't tell you

1174
00:56:20,309 --> 00:56:18,240
anything about this but there is no need

1175
00:56:21,750 --> 00:56:20,319
for you to worry just don't give it

1176
00:56:24,390 --> 00:56:21,760
another thought

1177
00:56:26,390 --> 00:56:24,400
now either the father

1178
00:56:28,710 --> 00:56:26,400
knows something that efco is doing which

1179
00:56:30,710 --> 00:56:28,720
might have had a bearing on this or he

1180
00:56:36,630 --> 00:56:30,720
is simply trying to play the big no at

1181
00:56:39,270 --> 00:56:37,510
uh

1182
00:56:44,150 --> 00:56:39,280
kind of interesting

1183
00:56:45,589 --> 00:56:44,160
the more interesting part to me is

1184
00:56:48,309 --> 00:56:45,599
another letter

1185
00:56:51,430 --> 00:56:48,319
that mr heineck got in regards to that

1186
00:56:52,870 --> 00:56:51,440
and what the person did there

1187
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:52,880
there are three plants in the boston

1188
00:56:57,349 --> 00:56:55,920
area operated by evco one in

1189
00:56:59,270 --> 00:56:57,359
waltham

1190
00:57:03,030 --> 00:56:59,280
everett and wilmington father there is

1191
00:57:05,270 --> 00:57:03,040
also a blank works in avco

1192
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:05,280
r d the research and development plant

1193
00:57:09,589 --> 00:57:07,200
in wilmington she doesn't know beyond

1194
00:57:15,190 --> 00:57:09,599
that what the department he is in but

1195
00:57:19,589 --> 00:57:17,430
now that's interesting because uh white

1196
00:57:23,589 --> 00:57:19,599
sand specifically

1197
00:57:27,030 --> 00:57:25,670
so this father tells his daughter i

1198
00:57:32,150 --> 00:57:27,040
can't tell you anything about what

1199
00:57:37,190 --> 00:57:33,829
they look him up this is what he does

1200
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:37,200
for the company works on rocket design

1201
00:57:42,150 --> 00:57:40,319
the episode happened right next to white

1202
00:57:44,789 --> 00:57:42,160
sands

1203
00:57:47,109 --> 00:57:44,799
who tested

1204
00:57:50,069 --> 00:57:47,119
still tests and is known for testing

1205
00:57:56,710 --> 00:57:52,630
doesn't explain the testimony of an

1206
00:58:00,549 --> 00:57:58,870
the only way this could something like

1207
00:58:02,470 --> 00:58:00,559
this could be possible

1208
00:58:04,710 --> 00:58:02,480
in my book

1209
00:58:05,670 --> 00:58:04,720
is if when this happened whoever showed

1210
00:58:08,710 --> 00:58:05,680
up

1211
00:58:09,570 --> 00:58:08,720
right away and that quick did a massive

1212
00:58:12,230 --> 00:58:09,580
cleanup job

1213
00:58:14,069 --> 00:58:12,240
[Music]

1214
00:58:15,829 --> 00:58:14,079
you know before anyone else got there

1215
00:58:17,829 --> 00:58:15,839
and told zamoro the story they're

1216
00:58:20,150 --> 00:58:17,839
sticking to

1217
00:58:23,510 --> 00:58:20,160
that's the only way that this would be

1218
00:58:30,230 --> 00:58:25,750
i just don't see that happening you can

1219
00:58:36,710 --> 00:58:33,030
uh what's that guy's name

1220
00:58:39,190 --> 00:58:36,720
mariah the mirage man guy who was

1221
00:58:40,470 --> 00:58:39,200
literally telling paul benowitz fake

1222
00:58:42,630 --> 00:58:40,480
stuff

1223
00:58:48,309 --> 00:58:42,640
because he was spying on their highly

1224
00:58:53,589 --> 00:58:51,589
this is more stuff about white sands

1225
00:58:56,630 --> 00:58:53,599
hector is going into it they're getting

1226
00:58:58,870 --> 00:58:56,640
special security clinches clearances for

1227
00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:58,880
hector

1228
00:59:07,750 --> 00:58:59,680
yeah

1229
00:59:10,789 --> 00:59:07,760
if you think of stuff like that

1230
00:59:13,910 --> 00:59:10,799
i don't know is that possible

1231
00:59:18,870 --> 00:59:16,390
could possibly be

1232
00:59:22,710 --> 00:59:18,880
but i'm not sure

1233
00:59:24,950 --> 00:59:22,720
but you can tell that captain hector

1234
00:59:26,069 --> 00:59:24,960
like didn't stop wanting to know what

1235
00:59:28,309 --> 00:59:26,079
was at

1236
00:59:29,750 --> 00:59:28,319
white sands missile base

1237
00:59:32,549 --> 00:59:29,760
he's going there he's getting special

1238
00:59:40,470 --> 00:59:32,559
clearances

1239
00:59:44,549 --> 00:59:41,750
so

1240
00:59:46,710 --> 00:59:44,559
request mdf which is

1241
00:59:48,470 --> 00:59:46,720
i'm not exactly sure what that stands

1242
00:59:49,589 --> 00:59:48,480
for but i know it's like a big boss type

1243
00:59:52,309 --> 00:59:49,599
of thing

1244
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:52,319
uh assist visitor as necessary and

1245
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,160
possible in his investigation to

1246
01:00:01,109 --> 00:59:56,160
logically account for this socorro

1247
01:00:05,349 --> 01:00:02,630
so

1248
01:00:08,069 --> 01:00:05,359
a little bit more on that

1249
01:00:10,789 --> 01:00:08,079
hector will arrive on about 6

1250
01:00:11,910 --> 01:00:10,799
64 for a meeting with mdc commander so

1251
01:00:14,309 --> 01:00:11,920
this is

1252
01:00:16,390 --> 01:00:14,319
the big shot commander

1253
01:00:20,630 --> 01:00:16,400
he's cleared up to and including top

1254
01:00:32,789 --> 01:00:23,349
so he's going to get the the rundown on

1255
01:00:36,390 --> 01:00:34,470
the possibility of a research vehicle

1256
01:00:38,549 --> 01:00:36,400
being involved in the sighting has been

1257
01:00:40,710 --> 01:00:38,559
investigated the army liaison office at

1258
01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:40,720
fdd has been contacted and the case has

1259
01:00:43,990 --> 01:00:42,400
been discussed with them at great length

1260
01:00:45,829 --> 01:00:44,000
however they have no knowledge of an

1261
01:00:47,829 --> 01:00:45,839
army research vehicle

1262
01:00:49,430 --> 01:00:47,839
which would leave marks such as those

1263
01:00:52,630 --> 01:00:49,440
found

1264
01:00:53,750 --> 01:00:52,640
um socorro lieutenant conkey and major

1265
01:00:54,829 --> 01:00:53,760
mitchell

1266
01:00:57,589 --> 01:00:54,839
of the

1267
01:00:59,190 --> 01:00:57,599
afd afmdc

1268
01:01:02,230 --> 01:00:59,200
which actually i found some pretty good

1269
01:01:03,990 --> 01:01:02,240
cases in the archives looking that up

1270
01:01:06,230 --> 01:01:04,000
both of these officers were aware of the

1271
01:01:07,910 --> 01:01:06,240
case before our discussion however

1272
01:01:10,390 --> 01:01:07,920
neither one of them has any knowledge of

1273
01:01:12,470 --> 01:01:10,400
a vehicle in the holloman area such as

1274
01:01:14,470 --> 01:01:12,480
described in our report bell aircraft

1275
01:01:17,349 --> 01:01:14,480
company has been queried regarding their

1276
01:01:19,190 --> 01:01:17,359
research on a lunar landing vehicle

1277
01:01:21,670 --> 01:01:19,200
which would leave impressions on the

1278
01:01:24,870 --> 01:01:21,680
ground such as those found in socorro

1279
01:01:27,750 --> 01:01:24,880
one such vehicle has been delivered to

1280
01:01:33,109 --> 01:01:27,760
edwards air force base

1281
01:01:33,119 --> 01:01:36,870
however

1282
01:01:40,950 --> 01:01:38,870
the vehicle is not operational and is

1283
01:01:43,750 --> 01:01:40,960
not scheduled for tests until the latter

1284
01:01:45,510 --> 01:01:43,760
part of june 15 letters were written to

1285
01:01:47,430 --> 01:01:45,520
industrial companies asking them for

1286
01:01:49,589 --> 01:01:47,440
their research status on lunar landing

1287
01:01:51,589 --> 01:01:49,599
modules thus far information received

1288
01:01:53,990 --> 01:01:51,599
from these companies has not been useful

1289
01:01:57,829 --> 01:01:54,000
in solving the case nasa in washington

1290
01:02:03,029 --> 01:01:57,839
dc was contacted by s-a-f-o-i

1291
01:02:06,789 --> 01:02:04,789
colonel conkey while on a recent visit

1292
01:02:09,829 --> 01:02:06,799
to ftd remarked that security in

1293
01:02:11,990 --> 01:02:09,839
holloman is extremely tight uh regarding

1294
01:02:15,270 --> 01:02:12,000
scft

1295
01:02:20,230 --> 01:02:17,029
so this is interesting still believe

1296
01:02:24,630 --> 01:02:20,240
that tenant organizations at that base

1297
01:02:29,109 --> 01:02:26,630
could we ask home and base commander to

1298
01:02:30,390 --> 01:02:29,119
grant audience to fdd ufo project

1299
01:02:32,710 --> 01:02:30,400
officer

1300
01:02:34,309 --> 01:02:32,720
in order to discuss details of socorro

1301
01:02:42,950 --> 01:02:34,319
sighting significant developments have

1302
01:02:48,230 --> 01:02:45,109
so

1303
01:02:49,510 --> 01:02:48,240
we already looked at this one

1304
01:02:50,950 --> 01:02:49,520
so from there

1305
01:02:52,710 --> 01:02:50,960
they don't have

1306
01:02:54,470 --> 01:02:52,720
a resolution

1307
01:02:57,510 --> 01:02:54,480
they don't have well wound up being

1308
01:02:59,910 --> 01:02:57,520
avaco or it wound up being at

1309
01:03:02,630 --> 01:02:59,920
the air base

1310
01:03:07,589 --> 01:03:02,640
that's all they got so what are we

1311
01:03:12,150 --> 01:03:10,150
uh one thing i wanted to show is so the

1312
01:03:13,270 --> 01:03:12,160
lunar landing module as i showed you

1313
01:03:17,910 --> 01:03:13,280
earlier

1314
01:03:22,230 --> 01:03:19,990
and but i do want to show you one thing

1315
01:03:24,150 --> 01:03:22,240
that

1316
01:03:28,829 --> 01:03:24,160
could

1317
01:03:40,150 --> 01:03:30,390
possibly

1318
01:03:45,349 --> 01:03:42,789
um so again this is the like lunar

1319
01:03:48,630 --> 01:03:45,359
landing module or something i think i

1320
01:03:58,549 --> 01:03:51,990
that could not be right actually but

1321
01:03:58,559 --> 01:04:05,109
testing on

1322
01:04:12,549 --> 01:04:09,270
that is isn't a lunar landing um

1323
01:04:15,349 --> 01:04:12,559
module but

1324
01:04:21,190 --> 01:04:15,359
it is called a looning lander

1325
01:04:27,190 --> 01:04:24,150
lunar module stuff like that

1326
01:04:30,150 --> 01:04:27,200
but let me uh bring that up

1327
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:30,160
because this and all honestly

1328
01:04:34,309 --> 01:04:33,200
i could think so this is the research

1329
01:04:37,750 --> 01:04:34,319
vehicle

1330
01:04:39,190 --> 01:04:37,760
it's different than what they're

1331
01:04:41,430 --> 01:04:39,200
discussing

1332
01:04:44,230 --> 01:04:41,440
and these apparently were only tested

1333
01:04:47,750 --> 01:04:44,240
from nasa but in california

1334
01:04:50,150 --> 01:04:47,760
so that's a far cry from where they were

1335
01:04:52,870 --> 01:04:50,160
but if you put

1336
01:04:56,069 --> 01:04:52,880
if you put a white freaking thing around

1337
01:04:56,079 --> 01:05:44,309
hear you just watching

1338
01:05:48,630 --> 01:05:46,309
so i don't know

1339
01:05:50,630 --> 01:05:48,640
this is like the closest thing that i

1340
01:05:52,630 --> 01:05:50,640
could think of and find that could

1341
01:05:55,430 --> 01:05:52,640
possibly be man-made and account for the

1342
01:06:00,309 --> 01:05:57,270
there's only room for one person in

1343
01:06:00,319 --> 01:06:08,710
and two people were reported

1344
01:06:13,430 --> 01:06:11,109
and it's completely like a cage there's

1345
01:06:20,789 --> 01:06:13,440
no white

1346
01:06:23,910 --> 01:06:22,230
but it definitely

1347
01:06:26,230 --> 01:06:23,920
there are a couple similarities one of

1348
01:06:27,750 --> 01:06:26,240
which is it shoots like flame out at

1349
01:06:29,510 --> 01:06:27,760
first

1350
01:06:31,990 --> 01:06:29,520
right underneath and then doesn't

1351
01:06:34,710 --> 01:06:32,000
anymore

1352
01:06:37,430 --> 01:06:34,720
can find these on youtube

1353
01:06:38,870 --> 01:06:37,440
um there it is

1354
01:06:41,109 --> 01:06:38,880
but i don't know what that is is that

1355
01:06:44,470 --> 01:06:41,119
flame that's not orange and blue

1356
01:06:48,230 --> 01:06:46,549
yeah that's a good point josh those look

1357
01:06:50,069 --> 01:06:48,240
to be wheels too

1358
01:06:52,150 --> 01:06:50,079
does that mean that there's

1359
01:06:53,990 --> 01:06:52,160
you know wasn't another type

1360
01:06:56,630 --> 01:06:54,000
that existed that it could be i don't

1361
01:07:01,190 --> 01:06:58,870
but that literally is like the closest

1362
01:07:02,470 --> 01:07:01,200
thing that i could find that would

1363
01:07:04,549 --> 01:07:02,480
that would

1364
01:07:08,870 --> 01:07:04,559
just you know being tested around that

1365
01:07:11,829 --> 01:07:10,150
um

1366
01:07:14,069 --> 01:07:11,839
and i still don't know if it does i

1367
01:07:19,349 --> 01:07:14,079
don't think it does

1368
01:07:25,029 --> 01:07:20,789
we got new

1369
01:07:32,630 --> 01:07:27,109
just not sure that any of it helps

1370
01:07:36,150 --> 01:07:34,309
in the man-made

1371
01:07:40,549 --> 01:07:36,160
department

1372
01:07:40,559 --> 01:07:44,390
um

1373
01:07:48,789 --> 01:07:46,470
but i think in the in the end really

1374
01:07:54,150 --> 01:07:51,430
this is kind of an example of just how

1375
01:07:59,589 --> 01:07:57,190
uh people will go to deny another type

1376
01:08:02,150 --> 01:07:59,599
of being

1377
01:08:03,430 --> 01:08:02,160
how much investigation and ever will be

1378
01:08:05,430 --> 01:08:03,440
put in

1379
01:08:08,309 --> 01:08:05,440
to figuring out and knowing that it's

1380
01:08:12,789 --> 01:08:08,319
man-made and it's not an alien or a

1381
01:08:18,309 --> 01:08:15,190
because think about it if it was if it

1382
01:08:21,749 --> 01:08:20,550
you know no one's ever going

1383
01:08:27,669 --> 01:08:21,759
to

1384
01:08:30,309 --> 01:08:28,950
you know

1385
01:08:32,950 --> 01:08:30,319
without

1386
01:08:34,630 --> 01:08:32,960
even with like a picture of a beautiful

1387
01:08:38,870 --> 01:08:34,640
alien craft people are going to think

1388
01:08:44,149 --> 01:08:41,349
and i always kind of go back to mr john

1389
01:08:45,510 --> 01:08:44,159
mack and it's not so much as a picture

1390
01:08:47,990 --> 01:08:45,520
or a video

1391
01:08:53,749 --> 01:08:48,000
but it's a world view

1392
01:08:53,759 --> 01:08:58,149
it's a world view that needs a shift

1393
01:09:05,510 --> 01:09:00,309
to give people the ability to believe in

1394
01:09:12,070 --> 01:09:07,430
and until that happens i'm not really

1395
01:09:16,789 --> 01:09:14,149
unless

1396
01:09:18,630 --> 01:09:16,799
without having like your own experience

1397
01:09:20,149 --> 01:09:18,640
even having a sighting sometimes isn't

1398
01:09:21,510 --> 01:09:20,159
enough

1399
01:09:23,910 --> 01:09:21,520
to believe that there could be a

1400
01:09:27,990 --> 01:09:23,920
different kind of life

1401
01:09:28,000 --> 01:09:32,149
you know

1402
01:09:36,709 --> 01:09:35,030
but sometimes i think

1403
01:09:38,470 --> 01:09:36,719
you know especially in the ufo community

1404
01:09:40,950 --> 01:09:38,480
we put too much pressure on ourselves to

1405
01:09:42,789 --> 01:09:40,960
make a decision

1406
01:09:45,510 --> 01:09:42,799
on what we believe about this case or

1407
01:09:47,510 --> 01:09:45,520
that case or what i saw or didn't see or

1408
01:09:49,590 --> 01:09:47,520
does this exist or does it not like you

1409
01:09:53,430 --> 01:09:49,600
don't have to pick a side

1410
01:09:58,550 --> 01:09:54,709
you know

1411
01:09:58,560 --> 01:10:01,350
because you never know

1412
01:10:01,360 --> 01:10:07,110
that being said um

1413
01:10:11,590 --> 01:10:10,070
you know i i did post on my twitter the

1414
01:10:13,189 --> 01:10:11,600
the pretty cool documents that i have

1415
01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:13,199
but i think i'm gonna have to wind up

1416
01:10:17,189 --> 01:10:15,120
saving that for

1417
01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:17,199
uh i'll do it thursday

1418
01:10:20,790 --> 01:10:19,360
because i don't have anything thursday

1419
01:10:21,910 --> 01:10:20,800
so those are those are pretty great

1420
01:10:23,270 --> 01:10:21,920
documents

1421
01:10:24,149 --> 01:10:23,280
if you want to cheat you can look at

1422
01:10:27,910 --> 01:10:24,159
them now

1423
01:10:29,270 --> 01:10:27,920
on my twitter their nasa documents well

1424
01:10:31,270 --> 01:10:29,280
they're about

1425
01:10:34,630 --> 01:10:31,280
nasa pretty much

1426
01:10:38,950 --> 01:10:36,870
there's this guy who is flying to x-15

1427
01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:38,960
some you know depending on who you are

1428
01:10:41,910 --> 01:10:39,920
you may

1429
01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:41,920
i remember this but he was a nasa pilot

1430
01:10:47,910 --> 01:10:45,520
flying at x-15 and he saw flag saucers

1431
01:10:48,790 --> 01:10:47,920
and these documents are about the air

1432
01:10:52,470 --> 01:10:48,800
force

1433
01:10:55,590 --> 01:10:52,480
um officially being the release

1434
01:10:57,110 --> 01:10:55,600
releasing agent for these videos of the

1435
01:10:59,189 --> 01:10:57,120
saucer that they're gonna give out to

1436
01:11:01,990 --> 01:10:59,199
the news and there's a back and forth

1437
01:11:04,709 --> 01:11:02,000
about how nasa says no absolutely not oh

1438
01:11:06,149 --> 01:11:04,719
but it's too late and so on and so forth

1439
01:11:07,990 --> 01:11:06,159
and they wind up giving the press

1440
01:11:09,750 --> 01:11:08,000
outlets a black and white version which

1441
01:11:12,390 --> 01:11:09,760
admittedly they said

1442
01:11:14,149 --> 01:11:12,400
give me blue book the colored version

1443
01:11:15,590 --> 01:11:14,159
because that's going to have more uh

1444
01:11:17,910 --> 01:11:15,600
detail

1445
01:11:20,630 --> 01:11:17,920
but they don't give that to the to the

1446
01:11:23,750 --> 01:11:20,640
press so that's pretty interesting

1447
01:11:25,510 --> 01:11:23,760
um i forget the guy's name already

1448
01:11:27,910 --> 01:11:25,520
but um

1449
01:11:29,830 --> 01:11:27,920
it's there in the videos out there too

1450
01:11:32,870 --> 01:11:29,840
um

1451
01:11:35,990 --> 01:11:32,880
a twitter friend actually posted that

1452
01:11:37,270 --> 01:11:36,000
and i retweeted it so

1453
01:11:39,189 --> 01:11:37,280
if you want

1454
01:11:41,189 --> 01:11:39,199
if you're a twitter savvy you can go on

1455
01:11:43,110 --> 01:11:41,199
my page and find that should be you know

1456
01:11:44,870 --> 01:11:43,120
within the last few posts

1457
01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:44,880
so you can check that out

1458
01:11:50,310 --> 01:11:46,880
um and

1459
01:11:52,630 --> 01:11:50,320
the other document i have is in regards

1460
01:11:55,510 --> 01:11:52,640
to somebody finding some

1461
01:11:57,270 --> 01:11:55,520
material they thought was a meteorite in

1462
01:11:58,790 --> 01:11:57,280
europe and brought it back to have it

1463
01:12:01,030 --> 01:11:58,800
analyzed by blue book turns out it was

1464
01:12:03,189 --> 01:12:01,040
not a meteorite

1465
01:12:06,070 --> 01:12:03,199
but there is like a little

1466
01:12:08,709 --> 01:12:06,080
hint at a backroom deal

1467
01:12:11,750 --> 01:12:08,719
on finding more materials

1468
01:12:13,510 --> 01:12:11,760
and getting them to blue book

1469
01:12:14,390 --> 01:12:13,520
pretty interesting

1470
01:12:17,830 --> 01:12:14,400
so

1471
01:12:23,030 --> 01:12:20,149
i'm going to get out of here

1472
01:12:25,030 --> 01:12:23,040
uh this was a this was a

1473
01:12:27,110 --> 01:12:25,040
there's a lot to this show

1474
01:12:29,030 --> 01:12:27,120
um i did a lot of research a lot of

1475
01:12:32,229 --> 01:12:29,040
reading these documents

1476
01:12:35,750 --> 01:12:32,239
um the newer type documents and i think

1477
01:12:37,590 --> 01:12:35,760
i pretty much covered everything

1478
01:12:39,189 --> 01:12:37,600
that's out there for the most part

1479
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:39,199
that's important

1480
01:12:43,750 --> 01:12:42,719
um if i didn't that's fine let me know

1481
01:12:45,750 --> 01:12:43,760
um

1482
01:12:48,870 --> 01:12:45,760
and you know if it's

1483
01:12:50,550 --> 01:12:48,880
i apologize but i think i think i got

1484
01:12:51,990 --> 01:12:50,560
all the important stuff we got the sign

1485
01:12:53,030 --> 01:12:52,000
the movie

1486
01:12:54,470 --> 01:12:53,040
um

1487
01:12:56,229 --> 01:12:54,480
the investigations into the other

1488
01:12:59,189 --> 01:12:56,239
companies

1489
01:13:00,630 --> 01:12:59,199
nasa uh the research vehicle which i

1490
01:13:02,870 --> 01:13:00,640
kind of just

1491
01:13:04,550 --> 01:13:02,880
no one hinted that that was anything i

1492
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:04,560
was just doing some research and found

1493
01:13:09,040 --> 01:13:07,360
the research vehicle it's like that

1494
01:13:10,470 --> 01:13:09,050
maybe

1495
01:13:11,590 --> 01:13:10,480
[Music]

1496
01:13:12,870 --> 01:13:11,600
i don't know

1497
01:13:14,709 --> 01:13:12,880
so

1498
01:13:17,030 --> 01:13:14,719
don't forget to like the video i forget

1499
01:13:19,510 --> 01:13:17,040
i keep forgetting to tell you guys um i

1500
01:13:21,669 --> 01:13:19,520
really appreciate you guys um

1501
01:13:23,830 --> 01:13:21,679
you know watching these and and hanging

1502
01:13:25,510 --> 01:13:23,840
out and chatting please

1503
01:13:27,990 --> 01:13:25,520
like the video

1504
01:13:29,110 --> 01:13:28,000
um subscribe if you haven't if you're

1505
01:13:31,110 --> 01:13:29,120
watching

1506
01:13:32,470 --> 01:13:31,120
and you're not signed in sign in you

1507
01:13:34,709 --> 01:13:32,480
just got to use your google account

1508
01:13:37,669 --> 01:13:34,719
subscribe all that stuff

1509
01:13:39,750 --> 01:13:37,679
um and thanks so much everybody for the

1510
01:13:41,830 --> 01:13:39,760
kind words edmondstar

1511
01:13:43,770 --> 01:13:41,840
um robert jose

1512
01:13:44,870 --> 01:13:43,780
laura

1513
01:13:46,310 --> 01:13:44,880
[Music]

1514
01:13:49,750 --> 01:13:46,320
jose i'm not sure what happened with you

1515
01:13:50,709 --> 01:13:49,760
but i i did catch uh sorry to hear that

1516
01:13:53,110 --> 01:13:50,719
so

1517
01:13:55,990 --> 01:13:53,120
whatever it was i have a feeling i may

1518
01:13:57,430 --> 01:13:56,000
know just from some chats uh earlier

1519
01:13:59,350 --> 01:13:57,440
this week but

1520
01:14:02,709 --> 01:13:59,360
i hope you're doing okay

1521
01:14:05,750 --> 01:14:02,719
uh guy k42d

1522
01:14:06,950 --> 01:14:05,760
study at uap you know me everybody i

1523
01:14:10,229 --> 01:14:06,960
really appreciate everything

1524
01:14:12,630 --> 01:14:10,239
pontificator surf psych um

1525
01:14:14,630 --> 01:14:12,640
lara everybody please like the video

1526
01:14:16,709 --> 01:14:14,640
share it subscribe josh

1527
01:14:18,870 --> 01:14:16,719
thank you so much um

1528
01:14:20,470 --> 01:14:18,880
shelly thank you for being here

1529
01:14:23,910 --> 01:14:20,480
grandmaster

1530
01:14:25,510 --> 01:14:23,920
uh lord bass and don't forget

1531
01:14:26,950 --> 01:14:25,520
that um

1532
01:14:28,950 --> 01:14:26,960
because i never tell you so it's not up

1533
01:14:31,910 --> 01:14:28,960
to you to forget really but

1534
01:14:32,950 --> 01:14:31,920
um i've been making some of these videos

1535
01:14:36,709 --> 01:14:32,960
private

1536
01:14:38,950 --> 01:14:36,719
or only to a few members

1537
01:14:42,070 --> 01:14:38,960
or only two members

1538
01:14:43,270 --> 01:14:42,080
um after a certain amount of time so i i

1539
01:14:44,870 --> 01:14:43,280
don't plan on doing that with like

1540
01:14:46,790 --> 01:14:44,880
interviews that include other people

1541
01:14:49,350 --> 01:14:46,800
with shows like these or

1542
01:14:51,590 --> 01:14:49,360
individual solo research shows um i'm

1543
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:51,600
starting to do that it's like a dollar a

1544
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:54,239
month so you'll notice when you do that

1545
01:14:58,950 --> 01:14:57,360
you know you get about 200 more episodes

1546
01:15:01,350 --> 01:14:58,960
so depending on how much you like this

1547
01:15:02,790 --> 01:15:01,360
show i guess but that helps too

1548
01:15:04,870 --> 01:15:02,800
so

1549
01:15:07,510 --> 01:15:04,880
benji youtube buddy

1550
01:15:12,310 --> 01:15:07,520
i'm sorry joe so an old friend died i'm

1551
01:15:12,320 --> 01:15:15,830
you hang in there

1552
01:15:21,030 --> 01:15:17,430
i'll be thinking about you jose you're

1553
01:15:26,310 --> 01:15:22,830
your good friend to show

1554
01:15:28,950 --> 01:15:26,320
here most definitely

1555
01:15:31,669 --> 01:15:28,960
so uh my heart's with you

1556
01:15:34,149 --> 01:15:31,679
uh disclosure team

1557
01:15:37,590 --> 01:15:34,159
vinnie love you bro

1558
01:15:39,510 --> 01:15:37,600
um yeah and i will see you guys tomorrow

1559
01:15:41,430 --> 01:15:39,520
where we have christopher sharp

1560
01:15:43,110 --> 01:15:41,440
and j christopher king and we're going

1561
01:15:47,830 --> 01:15:43,120
to do a

1562
01:16:20,470 --> 01:15:47,840
review of all the ufo stuff in 2021

1563
01:16:24,100 --> 01:16:22,540
so

1564
01:16:25,260 --> 01:16:24,110
[Music]

1565
01:16:38,910 --> 01:16:25,270
[Applause]

1566
01:16:39,950 --> 01:16:38,920
[Music]

1567
01:16:45,100 --> 01:16:39,960
[Laughter]

1568
01:16:51,080 --> 01:16:49,850
[Music]

1569
01:17:01,750 --> 01:16:51,090
[Applause]